<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385</id><updated>2012-02-04T11:12:33.367-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Scribal Scratchings</title><subtitle type='html'>I beleive the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated, copied, and interpreted correctly. In the course of my studies of the Bible, I've discovered that it has a long and convoluted history.
So, these are my discoveries and my musings of Christian history and doctrines.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>40</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-112131349659361939</id><published>2005-07-13T20:49:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-07-13T21:03:39.643-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Flaming Sword Part 4</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Does reproving "with sharpness" mean to get mean, angry, to get into someone's face yelling and hollering? What examples do we have in the scriptures or that type of behavior? None that I am aware of. In fact, according the scriptures, the voice is so quiet and mild that it has to be repeated several times before it can even be understood. The first example of which is one in which Nephi and Lehi were cast into prison by the Lamanites and apostate Nephites:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"And it came to pass that there came a voice as if it were above the cloud of darkness, saying: Repent ye, repent ye, and seek no more to destroy my servants whom I have sent unto you to declare good tidings.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it came to pass when they heard this voice, and beheld that it was &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not a voice of thunder&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;neither was it a voice of a great tumultuous noise&lt;/span&gt;, but behold, it was a &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;still voice of perfect mildness, as if it had been a whisper&lt;/span&gt;, and it did&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt; pierce &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;even to the very soul&lt;/span&gt;-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And notwithstanding &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the mildness of the voice&lt;/span&gt;, behold the earth shook exceedingly, and the walls of the prison trembled again, as if it were about to tumble to the earth; and behold the cloud of darkness, which had overshadowed them, did not disperse-&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And behold the voice came again, saying: Repent ye, repent ye, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand; and seek no more to destroy my servants. And it came to pass that the earth shook again, and the walls trembled.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And also again the third time the voice came, and did speak unto them marvelous words which cannot be uttered by man; and the walls did tremble again, and the earth shook as if it were about to divide asunder." (1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Note that this "mild" voice "pierced" them even to the very soul. Another example I like is when Christ visited the Americas in 3rd Nephi:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"And it came to pass that while they were thus conversing one with another, they heard a voice as if it came out of heaven; and they cast their eyes round about, for they understood not the voice which they heard; and it was &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;not a harsh voice&lt;/span&gt;, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;neither was it a loud voice&lt;/span&gt;; nevertheless, and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;notwithstanding it being a small voice it did &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;pierce&lt;/span&gt; them that did hear to the center&lt;/span&gt;, insomuch that there was no part of their frame that it did not cause to quake; yea, it did &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;&lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;pierce&lt;/span&gt; them to the very soul, and did cause their hearts to &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;burn&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it came to pass that again they heard the voice, and they understood it not.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And again the third time they did hear the voice, and did open their ears to hear it; and their eyes were towards the sound thereof; and they did look steadfastly towards heaven, from whence the sound came.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And behold, the third time they did understand the voice which they heard; and it said unto them:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Behold my Beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, in whom I have glorified my name-hear ye him." (2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Again, note that the voice was not a harsh voice, nor a loud voice, but a small voice, a mild voice. It wasn't till the third time before they understood it because they had to make a specific effort to try and understand, but &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;note the piercing action accompanied with the burning action - the flaming sword&lt;/span&gt;. So what does it mean to reprove with sharpness? Perhaps it means that you get "straight to the point" with no beating around the bush; "get to the heart of the matter" or "cut to the chase" as it were.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken hard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it &lt;span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"&gt;cutteth&lt;/span&gt; them to the very center&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; hearken to the truth&lt;/span&gt;, and give heed unto it, that ye might walk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;because of the truth&lt;/span&gt;, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us." (3)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In doing more searches on the subject, it seems that the sword metaphor is used with us ordinary mortals along the same lines in terms of gossip and criticism. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"The   &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;words of his mouth&lt;/span&gt; were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;yet were they drawn swords&lt;/span&gt;." (4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the insurrection of the workers of iniquity:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Who whet their tongue like a sword&lt;/span&gt;, and bend their bows to shoot their arrows, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;even bitter words&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That they may shoot in secret at the perfect: suddenly do they shoot at him, and fear not." (5)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Ever hear of the phrase "he stabbed me in the back"? or "What a back stabber!".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Helaman 5:29 - 33, Book of Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. 3 Nephi 11:3 - 7, BofM&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. 1 Nephi 16:2 - 3, BofM&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Psalms 55:21, King James version&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Psalms 64:2 - 4, KJV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-112131349659361939?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/112131349659361939/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=112131349659361939' title='29 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112131349659361939'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112131349659361939'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/07/flaming-sword-part-4.html' title='The Flaming Sword Part 4'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>29</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-112117608818026468</id><published>2005-07-12T06:42:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-07-12T06:58:44.670-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Flaming Sword Part 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Before I continue with my musings regarding the meaning of fire in the scriptures, I would like to backtrack a little here and get back to the sword issue. It has been "pointed" &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;out &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;(pun intended) to me by some of my readers that I left something out. And indeed I did. It seems that there is another layer of meaning behind the sword icon. Consider these scriptures:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And take the helmet of salvation, and the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;sword of the Spirit&lt;/span&gt;, which &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;is the word of God&lt;/span&gt;:" (1)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"For the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword&lt;/span&gt;, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (2)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;So we see here that the word of God is represented by the sword. Note how Paul describes the cutting off and separation action of the sword as a "dividing asunder" of soul and spirit, and bone and joints. Here again, a separation of spirit and body is hinted at. And we have other, indirect inferences to the sword and the word of God. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;" (3)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;An effective sword is sharp is it not? So what does it mean to reprove with sharpness? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be continued ...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Ephesians 6:17, King James vesion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Hebrews 4:12, KJV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Doctrine and Covenants, Section 121:43.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-112117608818026468?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/112117608818026468/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=112117608818026468' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112117608818026468'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112117608818026468'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/07/flaming-sword-part-3.html' title='The Flaming Sword Part 3'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-112096766230695495</id><published>2005-07-09T20:37:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-07-09T21:06:47.663-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Flaming Sword Part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;But the fire. The &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;flaming&lt;/span&gt; sword. What's with that?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's describe fire. It is the rapid combination of oxygen with some other material, the process of which emits energy in the form of light and heat. But did the ancients know about oxygen? I don't know. But we all know that the ancients used fire for a variety of different things. Heat is and has been used for ages to cook food. In nature, the ores of metals such as iron, copper, silver, gold are found in impure states in that they are mixed with oxygen, sulfides, and the silicates of other metals. Heat is often used, along with a "chemical reducing agent", to extract the metal of interest from the ore and purify it. Fire was used in lamps and torches to light up the darkness of night. But fire can cause pain and suffering. Intense pain and suffering. It can even cause death.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Interestingly enough, fire is talked about in the scriptures in several senses. One sense is used to describe the inhabitation of God, where only the perfect and pure in heart can dwell.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;" (1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Fire is also referenced in the process of purifying the soul.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Only the gold, and the silver, the brass, the iron, the tin, and the lead,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Every thing that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water." (2)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"And for an unclean person they shall take of the ashes of the burnt heifer of purification for sin, and running water shall be put thereto in a vessel:" (3)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times." (4) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;And he shall sit as a refiner and purifer of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed." (5)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Last of all, fire or the flame means is used ... (to be continued)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Isaiah 33:14 - 15, King James Version.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Numbers 31:22 - 23, KJV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Numbers 19:17, KJV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Psalms 12:6, KJV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Malachi 3:2-6, KJV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-112096766230695495?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/112096766230695495/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=112096766230695495' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112096766230695495'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112096766230695495'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/07/flaming-sword-part-2.html' title='The Flaming Sword Part 2'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-112061898405765111</id><published>2005-07-05T19:58:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-07-05T20:03:04.063-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Garden of Eden Symbolism - The Flaming Sword</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;What would be the symbolic meanings of the cherubim and flaming sword? What are the characteristics native to each? First, to describe the characteristics of a cherubim, we need to know what it is. I have done much research and discovered that nobody seems to really know what it is. It is my suspicion that somebody knows but they are not going public with it, but I will discuss my reasons for this on another day.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For today, then, let’s focus on the flaming sword. We don’t use swords in the kitchen to make dinner salads. It should be obvious that the sword could represent death just by it’s mere association with death. It is a weapon used to inflict death and inspires fear in those who are to be victims of it’s violence. A sword is used to cut. The term “cut off’ is often used in the scriptures to talk about death. It is used about 231 times in the Bible and 310 times in all the standard works combined. The first reference that we have of the term in reference to death is in talking about the great flood.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And I will establish my covenant with you; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;neither shall all flesh be cut off any more&lt;/span&gt; by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth." (1)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Moreover, cutting something off is an act of separation. If you cut off your finger, you separate it from the hand and body. When Adam and Eve left the Garden of Eden, not only did they become separated from the presence of God, but they became subject to conditions of mortality and death.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Genesis 9:11, King James Version&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-112061898405765111?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/112061898405765111/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=112061898405765111' title='23 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112061898405765111'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112061898405765111'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/07/garden-of-eden-symbolism-flaming-sword.html' title='Garden of Eden Symbolism - The Flaming Sword'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>23</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-112019220543312985</id><published>2005-06-30T21:22:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-30T21:30:05.440-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Tips to Help in Understanding Biblical Imagery</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Before diving headfirst into the meaning of Biblical symbols, in this case the cherubim and flaming sword, and other symbols used in the Adam and Eve story, I thought it might be useful to forth some ideas that I think are essential in helping to understanding Biblical symbols.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the footnotes of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Lost Language of Symbolism&lt;/span&gt;, Gaskill quotes from a book called &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dictionary of Biblical Imagery&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"Bible dictionaries and commentaries commonly err in … [that] some resources channel all their energies into uncovering the original context of an image, making sure that we get the literal picture but &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;never asking what the feelings or meanings are elicited by the image&lt;/span&gt;. Images call for interpretation, and to leave biblical imagery uninterpreted is a great waste. The images of the Bible exist to tell us something about the godly life, something they will not do if they are allowed to remain as physical phenomena only. In short, a common failing of commentaries and dictionaries is that they do not adequately speak to the issue of significance (what an image signifies by way of meaning)." (1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;br /&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;In another footnote, Gaskill quotes another scholar as writing:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"The significance of a symbol is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;based upon the literal or actual nature and characteristics of that which is being used as a symbol&lt;/span&gt;. A symbol is meant to represent something essentially different from itself. The link between that which is used as a symbol and that which is symbolized &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;is the characteristic common to both&lt;/span&gt;." (2) &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;1. Ryken, Wilhoit, and Longman. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dictionnary of Biblical Imagery&lt;/span&gt; (Intervarsity Press: Downers Grove, Ill., 1998), p. xiv-xv.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Conner, kevin J.. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Interpreting the Symbols and Types&lt;/span&gt; (City Bible Publishing: Portland, Ore, 1992), p.13.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-112019220543312985?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/112019220543312985/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=112019220543312985' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112019220543312985'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112019220543312985'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/tips-to-help-in-understanding-biblical.html' title='Tips to Help in Understanding Biblical Imagery'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-112010178871614318</id><published>2005-06-29T20:16:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-29T20:25:32.130-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Garden of Eden Symbolism - The East. Part 2.</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Doing a word search in my computerized scriptures program, I verified that east is the direction used most in the scriptures. According to Alonzo L. Gaskill, east represented God, "If something came from the east it was representative of the idea that it was of God, sent by God, or godly in nature. Both blessings and punishments were believed to have been sent from the east (i.e., from God). People from the east were often respected for their wisdom and perceived as being messengers from God." (1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One thing in which I disagree with Dr. Gaskill is that he claims that Adam and Eve moved east after being expelled from the garden of Eden, and consequently their fall into mortality was a movement toward God. Where does Genesis say that? All Genesis says is that "God sent him forth from the garden" and "drove out the man" (2), but it doesn't say in what direction. Not east. Not west. Not south. Not north. It just doesn't say. All it says is that they were expelled.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Genesis does say that God placed the cherubim and flaming sword at the east end of the garden "to guard" or PREVENT THEM from partaking of the Tree of Life, which means they were PREVENTED FROM GOING EAST towards God. What's the tree of life? Who said "I am the light and the life of the world."?(3). The flaming sword is BETWEEN God and man. If the flaming sword is on the east end (in front of God, or in God's presence) and I walk in an eastward direction towards God the flaming sword is going to be in the way. I am going bump into that flaming sword that is set there in the east (in front of and before God's presence), which is set there to prevent me from going further east and from entering into God's presence; I am going to get burned and chopped up into mince meat. Somebody give this guy a compass. Where does it say that they were moving towards the flaming sword? It doesn't say that anywhere. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, what is the meaning of west? If I face west, my back is to the east. Have you ever heard the phrase "He turned his back on me"? Does it not mean that somebody has ignored you, set at naught your counsel, or avoided you? And isn't that what Adam and Eve did when they partook of the forbidden fruit, ignored God's counsel to not partake of it? If east is the presence of God, then going west would mean going away from God's presence. Isn't that what happened when they were expelled from the Garden? They were being driven AWAY from His presence. Can you and I enter into God's presence any time we feel like it? No.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not surprisingly, scholars noticed that references regarding the west are bad and undesirable, including sorrow, chaos, death, evil, dark, etc...(4) Note that God said to Adam "Cursed is the ground for thy sake; and in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life." And to Eve He said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children..." If they are heading east as Gaskill claims then why are they experiencing conditions associated with the west? It is because they are in the west, and heading west, away from God's presence, with their back towards Him, symbolically speaking of course.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(West) Adam ---------- Flaming Sword (East) --- God&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Gaskill, Alonso L., &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Lost Language of Symbolism&lt;/span&gt; (Deseret Book: Salt Lake City, Utah), p. 150.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Genesis 3:23-24, King James Version&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. 3 Nephi 9:18, The Book of Mormon&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Lost Language of Symbolism&lt;/span&gt;, p. 166.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Genesis 3:16-17, KJV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-112010178871614318?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/112010178871614318/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=112010178871614318' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112010178871614318'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112010178871614318'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/garden-of-eden-symbolism-east-part-2.html' title='Garden of Eden Symbolism - The East. Part 2.'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-112000721059989686</id><published>2005-06-28T17:25:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-29T20:25:07.580-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Garden of Eden Symbolism - The East. Part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The creation story in the book of Genesis states that "...the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed." (1) One day the thought came to me "East of what? On a round globe, of which the Earth is, without some point of reference, east could be anywhere." Then we read in the account of the creation that after Adam and Eve partook of the forbidden fruit, they were sent out of the Garden of Eden.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;So He drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden, Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."(2) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;I thought "Why does God only guard the east end of the garden? If Adam wanted to, couldn't he circle back and come back in through the north, south or the west ends? Obviously, he couldn't if there were other barriers to prevent him from doing so, but the only barrier mentioned is the Cherubim and the flaming sword." Because of the ambiguous nature of these verses, I have come to the conclusion that the account is symbolic in nature, even if it really did happen. Rabbi's have long held that though the lives of the great patriarchs were real and really did occur, at the same time their lives were symbolic and prophetic in and of themselves. I remember hearing a Rabbi say that the stories of the Old Testament are more than quaint little stories - there is more information there that doesn't meet the eye. If the account of Adam and Eve is a parable or an allegory of sorts in addition to actually having had occurred, then it would be imperative to understand what meaning the people of that culture placed on the individual components of the parable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A good place to start would be the whole concept of "East". The following definition concerning the east is found in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Sir William Smith's Bible Dictionary&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"East. The Hebrew term kedem properly means that which is before or in front of a person, and was applied to the east from the custom of turning that direction when describing the points of the compass, before, behind, the right and the left representing respectively east, west, south and north. Job 23:8,9." (3) &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;If Smith is correct concerning the meaning of the term "east" and we apply it to the previously quoted verses, then we should understand that a garden was planted before God's face. Sending Adam towards the west would be synonymous with Adam being sent out of God's presence.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Justin Martyr (Apologist and martyr. Died circa 165 A.D.) writes in his letter entitled &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dialogue with a Jew&lt;/span&gt; about how the scriptures are full of signs and symbols. Justin discusses several names by which God is known by in the Old Testament. He quotes an unspecified source as saying "His name is the East." (4) The translator or editor of Justin's work references the scripture Zechariah 6:12 which actually reads "...whose name is The BRANCH;..." in 5 different Old Testament translations that I've read.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did a word search for the phrase "His name is the East" and also the words "name" and "east" together on the computer, but found no references anywhere in the Bible. Either Justin misquoted Zechariah or he is quoting a source that is not in our current Bible or there is a linguistic, cultural, or kabbalistic connection between the words "branch" and "east" that I am not aware of. In fact, our current King James version of the old testament comes from the Masoretic text and Justin accuses the Jews of leaving many things out of that particular translation when they translated the Old testament into Greek. He apparently was using the Septuagint. It is also quite possible that he is quoting a source that we do not have available to us today.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Genesis 2:8, King James Version&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Genesis 3:23-24, KJV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Smith, William, Sir, 1813-1893. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;A Dictionary of the Bible&lt;/span&gt; (&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Thomas Nelson Publishers: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;London, England), p. 154.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Dialog With Trypho, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Ante-Nicene Fathers&lt;/span&gt;, edited by Roberts, Alexander, D.D., and Donaldson, James, LL.D. (Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.: Grand Rapids Michigan), Vol 1, p. 252.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-112000721059989686?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/112000721059989686/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=112000721059989686' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112000721059989686'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/112000721059989686'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/garden-of-eden-symbolism-east-part-1.html' title='Garden of Eden Symbolism - The East. Part 1'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111920415256309145</id><published>2005-06-19T10:57:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-19T11:18:20.016-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Women Speaking In the Ancient Church, Part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Perhaps the answer to that last question  can be answered by understanding what a prophet is or how does one prophesy? According to Sir William &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Smith's Bible Dictionary&lt;/span&gt;, the term prophet signifies this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; "The ordinary Hebrew word for prophet is nabi, derived from a verb signifying 'to bubble forth' like a fountain; hence the word means &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;one who announces or pours forth the declarations of God&lt;/span&gt;. The English word comes from the Greek prophetes, which signifies in classical Greek &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;one who speaks for another&lt;/span&gt;, specially &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;one who speaks for a god&lt;/span&gt;, and so interprets his will to man; hence it's essential meaning is 'an interpreter'. The use of the word in the modern sense as 'one who predicts' is post classical… 'Prophesy comprehends three things: &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;singing&lt;/span&gt; by the dictates of the Spirit; and   &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;understanding and explaining&lt;/span&gt; the mysterious, hidden sense of Scripture by an immediate illumination and motion of the Spirit.'…" (1)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;So, by definition, to prophesy in church is to speak in church - or anywhere for that matter. There are numerous accounts in the Bible where women prophets actually spoke out loud. Consider Miriam, the sister of Aaron (Exodus), Deborah in Judges 4, Huldah in 2 Kgs. 22 and 2 Chr. 34, Noadiah in Nehemiah 6:14, Anna in Luke 2, the four daughters of Phillip in Acts 21. Moreover, Peter quotes Joel's prophesies (with some minor variations) regarding the last days:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"…I will pour out of my Spirit upon &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;all flesh&lt;/span&gt;: and your sons and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;your daughters shall prophesy&lt;/span&gt;, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;on my handmaidens&lt;/span&gt; I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and   &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;they shall prophesy&lt;/span&gt;:" (2)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;I also noticed that in 1 Corinthians 14:5 it says:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"I would that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;ye all&lt;/span&gt; spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Note that Paul says "ye all". Was he writing to an audience of all males or to mixed company? The New Revised Standard Bible replaces the pronoun "he" in verse 5 (King James version) with the genderless term "one". The New Jerusalem Bible uses the terms "those", "you", and "they" (3). I don't speak Greek, but I strongly suspect that the pronoun used in the Greek manuscript and translated into the King James Bible as "he" is actually a pronoun that implies both male and female.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Regarding 14:34, Bart writes:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"It has often been noted that the passage in chapter 14 also appears intrusive in it's own literary context: Both before and after his instructions for women to keep silent, Paul is speaking not about women in church, but about prophets in church. When the verses on women are removed, the passage flows neatly without a break. This too suggests that these verses were inserted into the passage later. Moreover, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;it is striking that the verses in question appear in different locations in some of our surviving manuscripts of Paul's letters as if they had originally appeared as a marginal note&lt;/span&gt; (drawn from the teaching of the forged letter of 1 Timothy?) &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;and inserted as judged appropriate in different parts of the chapter&lt;/span&gt;. On these grounds, a number of scholars have concluded that Paul's instructions for women to be silent in 1 Corinthians may not be from Paul, just as the letter to Timothy is not from Paul." (4)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;And so, once again we see that someone has inserted their own ideas, opinions, philosophies, etc., into the scriptures, and that it was propagated through time by scribe after scribe until it has been accepted as Gospel truth by many who are ignorant and uneducated regarding the origins of the scriptures and the errors of those copying the scriptures.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Smith, Sir William, L.L.D.. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Smith's Bible Dictionary&lt;/span&gt;, revised and edited by F.N. and M.A. Peloubet (Thomas Nelson Publishers: Nashville, Tennessee, 1986), p534-535.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Acts 2:17-18, KJV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Complete Parallel Bible&lt;/span&gt; (Oxford University Press: Oxford, New York, 1993).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Ehrman, Bart D.. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew&lt;/span&gt; (Oxford University Press: Oxford, New York, 2003), p38.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111920415256309145?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111920415256309145/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111920415256309145' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111920415256309145'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111920415256309145'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/women-speaking-in-ancient-church-part_19.html' title='Women Speaking In the Ancient Church, Part 2'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111911721645562349</id><published>2005-06-18T10:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-18T10:53:36.460-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Women Speaking In the Ancient Church, Part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Women in the ancient Christian church. Were they allow to speak or not?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Lately, I have been reading in the book &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew&lt;/span&gt; by Bart D. Ehrman of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. In one chapter he discusses the forgery entitled &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Acts of Paul and Thecla&lt;/span&gt;. We know it is a forgery because according to Tertullian, a North African Christian writer who lived about the late 2nd and early 3rd century A.D., the forger was caught and confessed to having wrote it.  (1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;In that chapter, Bart delves into a discussion regarding the rights and privileges of women in the early Christian church and made some points that I thought were rather interesting. He points out that the apostle Paul writes:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."  (2)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."  (3)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;With regards to Timothy, Bart writes that many scholars are of the opinion that Paul did not write it because "it's vocabulary, writing style, theological modes of expression, and presupposed historical situation all differ significantly from what can be found in Paul's authentic letters."  (4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;But what about 1 Corinthians 14? In chapter 11, Paul writes: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven."  (5)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;So, as Bart sees it, and I agree, according to this verse it is okay for women to pray and prophesy, as long as their heads are covered. But how do you do that in silence? Did the apostle Paul contradict himself, or is there another explanation?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.  Tertullian, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;On Baptism&lt;/span&gt;, Chapter 17.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.  1 Corinthians 14:34, King James Version (KJV).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.  1 Timothy 2:12-14, KJV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.  Ehrman, Bart D.. &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew&lt;/span&gt; (Oxford University Press: Oxford, New York, 2003), p38.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;5.  1 Corinthians 11:5, KJV.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111911721645562349?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111911721645562349/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111911721645562349' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111911721645562349'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111911721645562349'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/women-speaking-in-ancient-church-part.html' title='Women Speaking In the Ancient Church, Part 1'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111881140551353327</id><published>2005-06-14T21:28:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-14T22:02:33.200-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The 12 Patriarchs and 3 Degrees of Glory</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Something else that I found interesting in reading the&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs&lt;/span&gt; is a description of three separate heavens found in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Testament of Levi&lt;/span&gt;. The lowest heaven is reserved for the wicked and is the darkest. Each heaven increases in it's level of brightness. The highest heaven is reserved for God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;8. Then there fell upon me a sleep, and I beheld a high mountain, and I was upon it.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;9. And behold the heavens were opened and an angel of God said to me, Levi enter.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10. And I entered from &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the first heaven&lt;/span&gt;, and I saw there a great sea hanging.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11. And further I saw &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;a second heaven&lt;/span&gt; far brighter and more brilliant, for there was a boundless light also therein.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12. And I said to the angel, Why Is this so? And the angel said to me, Marvel not at this, for thou shalt see &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;another heaven&lt;/span&gt; more brilliant and incomparable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;13. And when thou hast ascended thither, Thou shalt stand near the Lord, And shalt be His minister, And shalt declare His mysteries to men, And shall proclaim concerning Him that shall redeem Israel.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;14. And by thee and Judah shall the Lord appear among men saving every race of men.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;15. And from the Lord's portion shall be thy life, And He shall be thy field and vineyard, And fruits, gold, and silver.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;16. Hear, therefore, regarding the heavens which have been shown to thee.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;17. The &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;lowest&lt;/span&gt; is for this cause gloomy unto thee, in that it beholds all the unrighteous deeds of men.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;18. And it has fire, snow, and ice made ready for the day of judgement, in the righteous judgement of God; for in it are all the spirits of the retributions for vengeance on men.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;19. And in &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the second&lt;/span&gt; are the hosts of the armies which are ordained for the day of judgement, to work vengeance on the spirits of deceit and of Beliar.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;20. And &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;above them&lt;/span&gt; are the holy ones.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;21. And in &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;the highest of all&lt;/span&gt; dwelleth the Great Glory, far above all holiness.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;22. In [the heaven next to] it are the archangels, who minister and make propitiation to the Lord for all the sins of ignorance of the righteous;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;23. Offering to the Lord a sweet- smelling savour, a reasonable and a bloodless offering.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;24. And [in the heaven below this] are the angels who bear answers to the angels of the presence of the Lord.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;25. And in the heaven next to this are thrones and dominions, in which always they offer praise to God.(1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Compare this to the apostle Paul’s description of the resurrection in 1st Corinthians 15:40-42, and Doctrine and Covenants, Section 76. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Regardless of whether or not this was written in the 2nd century B.C. or redacted in the 2nd century A.D., it is apparent that the early Christians had a very different view of heaven than the "Orthodox" or Protestant churches have nowadays.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I also noticed that Levi starts out by saying that "I beheld a high mountain, and I was upon it." The very first thing I thought of was the vision of Nephi. Nephi writes:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"… I was caught away in the Spirit of the Lord, yea, into an exceeding high mountain, which I never had before seen, and upon which I never had before set my foot."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Is this similarity in writing style a coincidence? Did Joseph Smith copy all this? Did he even know &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs&lt;/span&gt; even existed?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1. Levi 1:20-25, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs&lt;/span&gt;, The Forgotten Books of Eden (Alpha House, Inc.: Newfoundland, 1927), p. 227.&lt;br /&gt;2. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1 Nephi 11:1, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Book of Mormon&lt;/span&gt; (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Salt Lake City, Utah, 1979), p.17.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111881140551353327?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111881140551353327/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111881140551353327' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111881140551353327'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111881140551353327'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/12-patriarchs-and-3-degrees-of-glory.html' title='The 12 Patriarchs and 3 Degrees of Glory'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111872319418487309</id><published>2005-06-13T21:24:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-13T21:26:34.190-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Lost City of Atlantis or Nephites and Jaradites?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Well, I just finished watching Investigative History on the History Channel tonight. It was about the searchings of  several scholars for the lost city of Atlantis. Some of the interesting points were the Mayan ruins in the Yucatan Peninsula. They showed statues of elephants, and stone carvings of bearded men. The local natives can’t grow beards. Something else was mentioned regarding mitochondrial(?) DNA research. It was briefly mentioned that there was a connection between various groups of native Americans to a small group in the middle east. Also, they mentioned that a city was recently discovered about 2,000 feet beneath the ocean just west of Cuba.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Lost City of Atlantis? Somebody needs to give these people a Book of Mormon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111872319418487309?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111872319418487309/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111872319418487309' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111872319418487309'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111872319418487309'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/lost-city-of-atlantis-or-nephites-and.html' title='The Lost City of Atlantis or Nephites and Jaradites?'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111838484624078538</id><published>2005-06-09T23:11:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-09T23:29:42.093-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 5</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Talk about mixups. Here is a modern day mixup. The book entitled &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Forgotten Books of Eden&lt;/span&gt; claims that it's version of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs&lt;/span&gt; is taken from the book &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament&lt;/span&gt; by R. H. Charles. The web site www.earlychristianwritings.com claims that it's version is from the same book written by R.H. Charles. Yet as you can see, there are some very significant differences between the Forgotten Books version and the web site version.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Forgotten books of Eden&lt;/span&gt;, an extract from the Testament of Benjamin:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"And there shall arise in the latter days one beloved of the Lord, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;of the tribe of Judah and Levi&lt;/span&gt;, a doer of His good pleasure in his mouth, with new knowledge enlightening the Gentiles. Until the consummation of the age shall he be in the synagogues of the Gentiles, and among their rulers, as a strain of music in the mouth of all."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;www.earlychristianwritings.com, the same extract from the Testament of Benjamin:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"And there shall rise up &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;from my seed&lt;/span&gt; in the latter times one] beloved of the Lord, [hearing upon the earth His voice] and a doer of the good pleasure of His will, [enlightening with new knowledge all the Gentiles, even the light of knowledge, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;bursting in upon Israel for salvation and tearing away from them like a wolf, and giving to the synagogue of the Gentiles&lt;/span&gt;. Until the consummation of the age shall he be in the synagogues of the Gentiles, and among their rulers, as a strain of music in the mouth of all."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;One says a prophet will rise up from the seed of Benjamin, and another from Judah and Levi. From the same book translated by the same author? I don’t think so. And what’s this business about a wolf?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;If people can’t even copy text correctly in the 21st century, what makes any one think that text was EVER copied correctly throughout the rest of the Earth’s history?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111838484624078538?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111838484624078538/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111838484624078538' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111838484624078538'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111838484624078538'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/testaments-of-twelve-patriarchs-part-5.html' title='The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 5'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111827544827031030</id><published>2005-06-08T16:58:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-08T17:04:08.276-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 4</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;And yet, the saga continues.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Roberts and Donaldson say that only four manuscripts exist in Greek today. One is at the University Library of Cambridge, another at the Bodleian Library at Oxford, another at the Vatican Library at Rome, and last of all, one exists on the island of Patmos. They say that there is a considerable amount of differences between the manuscript at the University Library of Cambridge and the one at the Bodleian Library at Oxford, the latter of which has a large amount of text missing in places, in some cases entire chapters.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Greek text of the Patriarchs was printed in 1698 by someone called Grabe, which was supposedly made from the document at the University Library of Cambridge, but it was actually made from an "very" inaccurate transcript of it. In a subsequent printing of the Patriarchs, some of the text was properly corrected. Then at some point in time, Bishop Robert Grosseteste's Latin version, which is supposed to be a very accurate translation, was altered to match Grabe's incorrect rendering of the Patriarchs. Another person by the name of Fabricus printed a version in 1714 which was basically a knockoff of the Grabe version. Fabricus made a second edition in 1722 that was less accurate than his own first version. Last of all, Roberts made a modern translation of the manuscript sometime after 1869, including with it a statement regarding all the differences of the aforementioned publications.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Geez. I know I sometimes make mistakes when I copy text, but entire chapters? Really now. And then to alter an accurate Latin version to match an incorrect Greek version. Is that craziness or what? Is it any wonder that scholars are amazed that so many documents have lasted as long as the have? All this reminds me of reading something similar to a mystery novel.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111827544827031030?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111827544827031030/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111827544827031030' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111827544827031030'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111827544827031030'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/testaments-of-twelve-patriarchs-part-4.html' title='The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 4'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111818145555090732</id><published>2005-06-07T14:47:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-07T14:57:35.556-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;In reading Roberts and Donaldson's introduction to their modern English translation of the Patriarchs, it turns out that the version of the Twelve Patriarchs discovered in the Dead Sea Scrolls is not the only version in existence. Scholars know that at least some Christians used it because it is thought that Tertullian quoted (1) from it and Origen (2) mentions it specifically by name. That is why some think that it was written before the end of the 2nd century A.D.. After that, however, not much is known or mentioned about it. It just seems to have disappeared off the radar. There are some suspected references to it as late as the 500's A.D., but it is not known with absolute certainty.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then in the 13th century, over 1,000 years after Origen's days, the book mysteriously resurfaces in Greece. Roberts and Donaldson quote an obscure document that states that a man by the name of Master John de Basingstokes, Archdeacon of Leicester, talked to another man by the name of Robert Grosseteste, Bishop of Lincoln, and told the Bishop of some discoveries he made while on a visit to Greece. John says: &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"that when he was studying at Athens he had seen and heard from learned Greek doctors certain things unknown to the Latins. Among these he found the Testaments of the XII. Patriarchs, that is to say, of the sons of Jacob. Now it is plain that these really form part of the sacred volume, but have been long hidden through the jealousy of the Jews, on account of the evident prophecies about Christ which are clearly seen in them." (3)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Roberts and Donaldson then quote some Matthew Paris as writing:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt; "At this same time, Robert, Bishop of Lincoln, a man most deeply versed in Latin and Greek, accurately translated the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Testaments of the XII. Patriarchs&lt;/span&gt; from Greek into Latin. These had been for a long time unknown and hidden through the jealousy of the Jews, on account of the prophecies of the Saviour contained in them. The Greeks, however, the most unwearied investigators of all writings, were the first to come to a knowledge of this document, and translated it from Hebrew into Greek, and have kept it to themselves till our times. And neither in the time of the blessed Jerome nor of any other holy interpreter could the Christians gain an acquaintance with it, through the malice of the ancient Jews. This glorious treatise, then, the aforesaid bishop (with the help of Master Nicolaus, a Greek, and a clerk of the Abbey of St. Alban's) translated fully and clearly, and word for word, from Greek into Latin, to the strengthening of the Christian faith, and to the greater confusion of the Jews." (4)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;This information raises some questions in my mind.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. If Christians in the earlier second century A.D. actually were the ones who wrote or doctored up &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs&lt;/span&gt;, then why were the non-Christian Jews in possession of it all those centuries? Shouldn't the Christians have been in possession of it and not the non-believing Jews?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;2. If the non-believing Jews were so afraid of letting people know about it, why did they preserve it for so long? Wouldn't they have destroyed it if they didn't want anybody to know about the prophesies of Christ in the document? Or why didn't they remove the material in question?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. How did these learned Greek doctors come into possession of it? Why didn't they share it with the rest of the Christian community?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. What were the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;other&lt;/span&gt; "certain things unknown to the Latins" among which existed with the Patriarchs book?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Adv. Marcionem, v. I; Scorpiace, 13; cf. Benj. 11.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Hom. in Josuam, xv. 6; cf. Reub. 2, 3.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Historia Anglorum, a.d. 1252, p. 1112&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;, ed. London, 1571&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Historia Anglorum, a.d. 1242, p. 801.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111818145555090732?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111818145555090732/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111818145555090732' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111818145555090732'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111818145555090732'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/testaments-of-twelve-patriarchs-part-3.html' title='The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 3'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111810461845658259</id><published>2005-06-06T17:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-06T17:39:27.013-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The plot thickens.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because the document makes reference to the destruction of Jerusalem in several places, it is thought that the Testaments had to have been written AFTER the Roman general Titus destroyed the temple around 70 A.D.. As I mentioned earlier, it is also thought that St. Paul referred often to the Patriarchs book, yet, it is believed by some that Paul was killed in Rome by the hand of Nero around 62 A.D., which, obviously, was BEFORE the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem. What is wrong with this picture? Maybe Paul used a version that wasn't re-edited by Christians to include the prophesies.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These so called experts say that because no other documents similar to the Patriarch's book in it's manner of prophesying of Christ are known to have existed BEFORE Christ, then the Patriarchs book had to have been written AFTER the birth of Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt; &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;That's like saying that bacteria didn't exist prior to the time they were first seen in a microscope. Where is the logic in that?&lt;/span&gt; How do they know that the destruction of the temple, the appearance of a star, and other Christological information wasn't in, say, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Book of Gad the Seer&lt;/span&gt;, or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Book of Nathan the Prophet&lt;/span&gt;, or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Prophecy of Ahijah&lt;/span&gt;, or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Visions of Iddo the Seer&lt;/span&gt;, or &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Book of Shemaiah&lt;/span&gt;, or the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Book of Jehu&lt;/span&gt; (see my previous blogs about these books), or perhaps in some other book the modern world has never seen, or even heard of for that matter? Fact of the matter is, reference is made to the writings of Enoch in the Patriarchs book no less than 5 times. The Book of Enoch isn't in our Bible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Excuse me, but I am going to get on my soapbox here. I don't care if these people have PhDs behind their name, all that proves is that they can read, write and take tests. I used to have a friend who would laugh because rocket scientists from the Jet Propulsion Labs in Pasadena would come into to her bank and they were totally incapable of filling out a simple loan application by themselves. That's right. People with PhDs in physics who couldn't fill out a loan application. Just because a person has a degree in ancient studies doesn't mean that they have common sense. But geez, they sure act like they are the last word of God on earth, sometimes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111810461845658259?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111810461845658259/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111810461845658259' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111810461845658259'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111810461845658259'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/testaments-of-twelve-patriarchs-part-2.html' title='The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 2'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111786151439248540</id><published>2005-06-03T21:58:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-06-03T22:41:44.210-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The other day I wrote that there was a book called The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs that was discovered amongst the Dead Sea Scrolls. This book claims to be the biographies of the twelve sons of Jacob in which each of the twelve tell their life stories, talking freely about their sins as well as their virtues and giving advice to their families before dying.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In reading it, I found a lot of prophesies concerning Jesus Christ. These testaments were not written in the typical style characteristic of the Old Testament as we know it with all it's symbols, cryptic visions, and poetic style. Instead it is very blunt, frank, plain and to the point. The ethical teachings of this document are of a much higher and nobler spiritual state than is characteristic of the Old Testament and is very similar in many aspects to Christ's teachings. Some scholars write that some of the sermon on the mount uses phrases from these Testaments. It has also been written that "St. Paul appears to have borrowed so freely that it seems as though he must have carried a copy of the Testaments with him on his travels." (1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In doing some research on the subject, I found out that this book is actually a "pseudepigrapha" meaning that the real author or authors is unknown. Because of it's Christian content, much controversy surrounds it as some authors can't accept the fact anyone would write so plainly about Christ before His birth. So scholars argue that it is a redaction (edited document) by Christians of an older, and unknown Jewish document from the 2nd century B.C., while others argue that that it is a Christian document integrating earlier Jewish material and place it's composition in the 2nd century A.D.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because it is difficult to remove these Christian passages without disturbing the continuity of the text, it is ASS-U-ME-d by some that it was a very thorough Christian editing job (Marinus de Jonge). So tightly integrated is the Christian text with the overall document, that the scholars find it difficult, if next to impossible, to determine what the contents of the supposed original document exactly were.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Forgotten Books of Eden &lt;/span&gt;(Alpha House, Inc.: Newfoundland, 1927), p. 220.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111786151439248540?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111786151439248540/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111786151439248540' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111786151439248540'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111786151439248540'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/06/testaments-of-twelve-patriarchs-part-1.html' title='The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs, Part 1'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111759436150925133</id><published>2005-05-31T19:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-31T19:59:08.493-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Dead Sea Scrolls Compared to Our Bible</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Just about everybody has heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but other than the fact that a bunch of books were discovered in caves near the Dead Sea, I have to confess that I, and many others like myself, have been largely ignorant of what those books were about. The Reader's Digest book entitled &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Bible Through Ages&lt;/span&gt; states gives a brief synopsis of what exactly was found there.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many of the books found there tell us about the daily life in this small, remote community. In addition to those books describing community life were found about 170 "Biblical" manuscripts, including books used as scripture that are not found in our modern day Bibles. One example is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs&lt;/span&gt; which is supposed to be the biographies of the twelve sons of Jacob. Another book called the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Jubilees&lt;/span&gt; which discusses the chronology of biblical history.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Comparing the Dead Sea books with those that are found in our Bibles today, there were some marked differences. Within that same little community there existed TWO different versions of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Isaiah&lt;/span&gt;. The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Psalms&lt;/span&gt; were arranged in a different order than ours and included three additional unknown &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Psalms&lt;/span&gt;. A remnant of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;1st Samuel&lt;/span&gt; gives hitherto unkown details regarding Saul. Over all though, much of their scripture was very much like ours giving "an indication to some scholars that there was a trend toward standardization of the text during the first century A.D."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What? Do they mean to tell me that it wasn't any standardization for the thousands of years before the first century A.D.?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The History of the Bible&lt;/span&gt; (Pleasantville, New York: The Reader's Digest Association, Inc., 1996), p. 111.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111759436150925133?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111759436150925133/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111759436150925133' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111759436150925133'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111759436150925133'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/dead-sea-scrolls-compared-to-our-bible.html' title='The Dead Sea Scrolls Compared to Our Bible'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111751629736631340</id><published>2005-05-30T22:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-30T22:11:37.370-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Comparing the Samaritan Pentateuch with the Hebrew</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Owing much to the parable of the Samaritan told by Jesus, many people know that the Jews and the Samaritans just don't get along. The origins of their conflict goes back to the eighth century BC The Samaritans like to think that they are descendents of the 10 "lost" tribes that were carried off by the Assyrians. The Jews regard them as pagans that were sent to repopulate the cities that had lain desolate for so many years after the initial conquest. We learn from 2 Kings 17 that the king of Assyria sent a priest that had been carried away to Assyria to return to Samaria to teach the new inhabitants the ways of the Lord.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To this day the Samaritans use only the Pentateuch (the five books of Moses) and do not recognize the writings of the prophets or any other writings that were introduced after the conquest of the Babylonians. The traditional Hebrew text, known as the Masoretic text, was passed on and continuously copied by scribes between the 6th and 10th centuries AD. The Masoretic text has a long history in and of itself to be discussed in another article.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;According the book The Bible Through the Ages by Readers Digest, scholars have made comparisons of the Samaritan Pentateuch and the Hebrew's Masoretic text. It states:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"In some 6,000 instances, however, the Samaritan text departs from the Masoretic. Moreover, about 1,900 variants in the Samaritan text correlate with the 3rd-century BC Greek Septuagint translation of the Pentateuch. Some Scholars have concluded, therefore, that the Samaritan and the Septuagint text reflect versions of the Scriptures that predate the authoritative Hebrew text."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;That is 6,000 differences in the first 5 books of the Bible alone! And what about the rest of the Bible?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The History of the Bible (Pleasantville, New York: The Reader's Digest Association, Inc., 1996), p. 111.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111751629736631340?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111751629736631340/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111751629736631340' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111751629736631340'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111751629736631340'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/comparing-samaritan-pentateuch-with.html' title='Comparing the Samaritan Pentateuch with the Hebrew'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111725033005176220</id><published>2005-05-27T20:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-27T20:18:50.060-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A Letter Written by Jesus Christ Himself</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;The historian Eusebius (circa 260 - 339 CE) , Bishop of Caesarea, writes about a King Abgar who was king of Edessa, a city known today as Urfa in Turkey. This king, who was dying of some incurable disease, had heard of Jesus and his ability to heal. He sent a message via a letter-carrier by the name of Ananias petitioning Jesus to come and heal him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus, upon reading of his plight, wrote a letter in return which was delivered to the king by the same courier. Eusebius claims that he extracted the actual documents from the Record Office at Edessa and translated them into Syriac.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;The letter of the King is as follows:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Abgar Uchama the Toparch to Jesus, who has appeared as a gracious savior in the Region of Jerusalem - greeting.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I have heard about you and about the cures you perform without drugs or herbs. If report is true, you make the blind see again and the lame walk about; you cleanse lepers, expel unclean spirits and demons, cure those suffering from chronic and painful diseases, and raise the dead. When I heard all this about you, I concluded that one of two things must be true - either you are God and came down from heaven to do these things, or you are God's Son doing them. Accordingly I am writing to beg you to come to me, whatever the inconvenience, and cure the disorder from which I suffer. I may add that I understand the Jews are treating you with contempt and desire to injure you: my city is small, but highly esteemed, adequate for both of us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Here is Jesus' response:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Happy are you who believed in me without having seen me! For it is written of me that those who have seen me will not believe in me, and that those who have not seen will believe and live. As to your request that I should come to you, I must complete all that I was sent to do here, and on completing it must at once be taken up to the One who sent me. When I have been taken up I will send you one of my disciples to cure your disorder and bring life to you and those with you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;According Eusebius, additional information was attached to these documents relating to the subsequent visit of Thaddaeus, one of the Seventy, who healed the king and others. The king saw a vision on the face of Thaddaeus which nobody else saw. The gospel was then taught to a general assembly of the city's inhabitants.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is interesting to me is that the fame of Jesus Christ was so far reaching even within His lifetime. This would, in my estimation, help explain the success that the Apostle Paul had amongst the gentiles - they had already heard of Jesus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt; Also, if Jesus received letters from such far quarters as Edessa and sent correspondence in return, I don't think that it would be too far out of line to suspect that He wrote other letters as well, either locally or otherwise, or even books for that matter. And if He did write other documents, what did they say? Would there have been any subject material not found in our present day canonized collection of books and letters?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Eusebius, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The History of the Church from Christ to Constantine&lt;/span&gt;, Tr. by G.A. Williamson; rev. and ed. with a new introd. by Andrew Louth. Rev. (London, England: Penguin, c1989), p. 30-34.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111725033005176220?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111725033005176220/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111725033005176220' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111725033005176220'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111725033005176220'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/letter-written-by-jesus-christ-himself.html' title='A Letter Written by Jesus Christ Himself'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111716374261109467</id><published>2005-05-26T20:01:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-26T20:25:46.443-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Mentioned in the Bible, But Not Found - Part 4</title><content type='html'>&lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Visions of Iddo the Seer&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, first and last, are they not written in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite, and in the visions of Iddo the seer against Jeroboam the son of Nebat?" (2 Chronicles 9:29)&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Book of Shemaiah the Prophet&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"Now the acts of Rehoboam, first and last, are they not written in the book of Shemaiah the prophet, and of Iddo the seer concerning genealogies? And there were wars between Rehoboam and Jeroboam continually." (2 Chronicles 12:15)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"And the rest of the acts of Abijah, and his ways, and his sayings, are written in the story of the prophet Iddo." (2 Chronicles 13:22)&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Book of Jehu&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel." (2 Chronicles 20:34)&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Sayings of the Seers&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"His prayer also, and how God was intreated of him, and all his sin, and his trespass, and the places wherein he built high places, and setup his groves and graven images, before he was humbled: behold, they are written among the sayings of the seers." (2 Chronicles 33:19)&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The Prophecies of Enoch&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Jude quotes from Enoch a little bit, but the source he quoted from is not in the Bible. If the Apostle Jude thought it important enough to read the book of Enoch and then quote from it to others, don't you think it would be beneficial to us in it's entirety as well?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,&lt;br /&gt;To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him." (Jude 14-15)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Matthew makes reference to a prophesy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (Matthew 2:23), but our current Old Testament has no statement of such.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Much has been lost through the ages, and these are just the books that we know about. How may other writings have there been throughout the ages that were lost to time, that aren't mentioned in the Bible?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111716374261109467?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111716374261109467/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111716374261109467' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111716374261109467'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111716374261109467'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/mentioned-in-bible-but-not-found-part_26.html' title='Mentioned in the Bible, But Not Found - Part 4'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111707031266209698</id><published>2005-05-25T18:17:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-25T20:01:33.250-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Mentioned in the Bible, But Not Found - Part 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Book of the Wars of the Lord&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the Lord, What he did in the Red Sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,&lt;br /&gt;And at the stream of the brooks that goeth down to the dwellings of Ar, and lieth upon the border of Moab." (Numbers 21:14-15)&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Book of Jasher&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day." (Joshua 10:13)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"(Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)" (2 Samuel 1:18)&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Acts of Solomon&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"And the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon?" (1 Kings 11:41)&lt;/blockquote&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Book of Samuel the Seer&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Book of Nathan the Prophet&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;The Book of Gad the Seer&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,&lt;br /&gt;With all his reign and his might, and the times that went over him, and over Israel, and over all the kingdoms of the countries." (1 Chronicles 29:29)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Who can say for sure that these books did not contain anything worthwhile or for our benefit. Solomon was so famous for his great wisdom that people came from all over the known world to hear him. Wouldn't that wisdom be as useful now as it was then? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Did Nathan, Samuel, Gad, being seers and prophets write their prophecies and the things that they saw as "seers" (one who sees) in addition to the acts of David? If so, what? Wouldn't it be important for us to know?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111707031266209698?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111707031266209698/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111707031266209698' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111707031266209698'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111707031266209698'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/mentioned-in-bible-but-not-found-part_25.html' title='Mentioned in the Bible, But Not Found - Part 3'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111697554558133692</id><published>2005-05-24T15:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-24T16:01:59.560-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Mentioned in the Bible, But Not Found - Part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;An epistle to the Laodiceans&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The epistle to the Laodiceans that Paul mentioned in his epistle to the Colosians is among those scriptures that are lost. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea." (Colossians 4:16)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;An epistle to the Corinthians&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In his first letter to the Corinthians, Paul wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:" (1 Corinthians 5:9)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;It is apparent that Paul wrote more than the two letters currently contained in our Bibles and that they were not the first to be written the Corinthians either. No doubt the missing letter is just as good and as important as the ones we currently have.&lt;/span&gt;   &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ul&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Other Gospels&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;ul&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Luke starts out his gospel by stating that many others had written concerning the gospel. The reason why Luke was writing was so that Theophilus might know that the things in which he had already been taught were true. Aside from Luke, we have only three other gospels in our New Testament. I would hardly call that "many".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;"Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed." (Luke 1:1-4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111697554558133692?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111697554558133692/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111697554558133692' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111697554558133692'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111697554558133692'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/mentioned-in-bible-but-not-found-part_24.html' title='Mentioned in the Bible, But Not Found - Part 2'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111688218377460672</id><published>2005-05-23T13:55:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-23T14:03:03.786-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Mentioned in the Bible, But Not Found - Part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Here are some other books mentioned in the Bible that are NOT found in the Bible:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Another epistle of Jude&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Jude, the brother of James wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"When I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should contend earnestly for the faith once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 3)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;What was the "common salvation" that he referred to? Considering the purpose of the Bible is intended for the salvation of God's children on earth, wouldn't that epistle be just as important as the one we now have?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Another epistle of Paul to the Ephesians&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Paul wrote of a revelation that he had and sent to the Ephesians.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)…" (Ephesians 3:3-4)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Wouldn't this revelation which he said would be beneficial to the Ephesians be beneficial to us also?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111688218377460672?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111688218377460672/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111688218377460672' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111688218377460672'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111688218377460672'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/mentioned-in-bible-but-not-found-part.html' title='Mentioned in the Bible, But Not Found - Part 1'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111662758930720132</id><published>2005-05-20T15:15:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-20T15:19:49.310-07:00</updated><title type='text'>It's a Friday Brotha'</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;long&gt; It's a Friday Brotha'... And things have been way too serious around here for the last week or two. So, today, I give you something a little different - a quote from a prophet featured in the movie &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Life of Brian&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight O'clock. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;I'll be back on Monday Brotha', err.. Sista'.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111662758930720132?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111662758930720132/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111662758930720132' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111662758930720132'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111662758930720132'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/its-friday-brotha.html' title='It&apos;s a Friday Brotha&apos;'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111655803087672798</id><published>2005-05-19T19:53:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-31T20:00:35.140-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Catholic Bible verses the King James</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Those who say that the Bible contains everything that was ever written by inspired men of God have either not read the Bible in it's entirety, or they are deliberately trying to deceive. I say this for several reasons. For one, there are books and letters mentioned in the Bible that are not found in the Bible itself. Two, often various writers in the bible quoted from unknown sources not contained in the Bible. Three, when Constantine commissioned Eusebius to gather all books predating Christ and those written after Christ's ascension into heaven, Eusebius had the difficult task of discerning what was authentic in it's entirety and what was not. There were many books and letters that were not included in this collection, because part or all of their authenticity were in question.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Though what we have in the King James Version of the Bible differs somewhat in the collection of books and letters that he made, nevertheless, it is a direct result of his efforts that we have a Bible with a New Testament at all. There were many manuscripts of the same letter or book, and often times they all differed. Which was the more correct? Other books were complete fabrications, and yet other books were believed to have been written by sincere but yet misguided and uneducated individuals.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have met some people who were surprised to hear that the Roman Catholic Old Testament, or Latin Vulgate, contains more books than the Old Testament of the King James Version Bible or the Hebrew Bible. These books are sometimes known collectively as "The Apocrypha" even though there are additional apocryphal books that are not included in their version of the Bible. The additional books in their Bible are &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The Book of Tobit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;2. The Book of Judith.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.  1st and 2nd Esdras.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. Additions to Esther.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Wisdom of Solomon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. Ecclesiasticus (Ben Sira or Sirach).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;7. Baruch.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8. Letter of Jeremiah.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;9. Prayers of Azariah and Song of the Three Young Men.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;10. Susanna.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11. Bel and the Dragon.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;12. Prayer of Manasseh.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;13. 1st and 2nd Maccabees.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In some manuscripts of the Greek Bible these books are found:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. 3rd and 4th Maccabees.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Psalm 151.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is the official position of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints? Joseph Smith wrote in Doctrine and Covenants 91:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1 VERILY, thus saith the Lord unto you concerning the Apocrypha -- There are many things contained therein that are true, and it is mostly translated correctly;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2 There are many things contained therein that are not true, which are ainterpolations by the hands of men.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3 Verily, I say unto you, that it is not needful that the Apocrypha should be translated.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4 Therefore, whoso readeth it, let him understand, for the Spirit manifesteth truth;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5 And whoso is enlightened by the Spirit shall obtain benefit therefrom;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6 And whoso receiveth not by the Spirit, cannot be benefited. Therefore it is not needful that it should be translated. Amen.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Apocrypha, Old Testament, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Encyclopedia of Early Christianity&lt;/span&gt;, second edition. Editor, Everett Ferguson. (Garland Publishing, Inc., 1997).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111655803087672798?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111655803087672798/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111655803087672798' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111655803087672798'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111655803087672798'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/catholic-bible-verses-king-james.html' title='The Catholic Bible verses the King James'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111643654536223306</id><published>2005-05-18T10:04:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-18T10:15:45.383-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Epistles of Ignatius. Some are Forgeries.</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Other examples of deliberate tampering include the writings of Ignatius, bishop of Antioch (30 - 70 A.D.). There are at least 15 letters existing today that bear his name. Regarding the first eight letters, it is the general consensus among scholars that these letters are counterfeit. Among those letters, or epistles, mentioned by Eusibius, there are seven that have two versions, a long and a short. It should be obvious that either the long or the short versions are the forged versions, but scholars are divided as to which of the two is the most authentic. I say the "most authentic" because neither version can be regarded as absolutely free of unauthorized alterations. &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You may be asking yourself why this would be important, considering that his writings are not found in the Bible itself. There are two reasons why this would be important. The first is to show that during the course of history, there have been many, many deliberate attempts to change Christian doctrines by writing documents under the alias of a reputable leader or changing the contents of the originals and passing them on to unsuspecting individuals. The second reason is that his letters discuss issues or doctrines that have divided the Christian community for ages. Tradition has it that he and Polycarp were disciples of, sitting in the actual presence of, the Apostle John himself. The writings of Ignatius, could they be proven without a doubt to be accurate and authentic, would give much credence to and help to verify the beliefs and doctrines of some Christian denominations and their particular interpretation of certain Bible verses thereby casting a shadow of doubt on those of other, differing, denominatins.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;ol style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Introduction Note, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians&lt;/span&gt;, vol 1, the Ante Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids, Michigan: WM. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., ), pages 46-47.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111643654536223306?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111643654536223306/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111643654536223306' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111643654536223306'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111643654536223306'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/epistles-of-ignatius-some-are.html' title='The Epistles of Ignatius. Some are Forgeries.'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111635861159317655</id><published>2005-05-17T12:26:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-17T12:36:51.596-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Origen Compares the Different Biblical Translations</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Because most of the Christians in the early centuries of the church spoke Greek, the Septuagint was regarded as the inspired Word of God. Christian copyists tended to corrupt text by introducing Christological information. Because of this, the Greek speaking Jews eventually rejected the Septuagint and turned to several other Greek translations that were more literal, especially the one made by Aquila (ca. 130 A.D.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The controversy became so extreme that at one point a Biblical scholar by the name of Origen (ca 185 - ca 251 A.D.) attempted to put all the bickering to rest by carefully comparing the Septuagint (sometimes called "LXX", or "Seventy") with the traditional Hebrew version that was used in his day. He divided his work into six columns. In the first column he put the Hebrew version word for word. The next column contained a transliteration of the Hebrew into Greek. The third column contained Aquila's Greek Translation. The fourth contained the translation of Symmachus. The fifth contained the LXX, and the last contained a translation by Theodotion. This immense book of 6,000 pages came to be known as the Hexapla.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He marked the places that the LXX was longer than the Hebrew and where the LXX was shorter, he added whatever words were necessary to match the Hebrew. The entire book was lost at some unknown point in time. Some scholars seem to think that it was burned during the Muslim conquest of Palistine during the seventh century A.D. along with who knows how many other priceless Christian documents. However, the fifth column was copied with all his notes and was circulated around so much that it eventually corrupted the original Greek translation. &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Septuagint was translated into Latin, Coptic, Syriac, Ethiopic, Armenian, Georgian, Arabic, and many other languages. Again, here is double the potential for errors in translation - Hebrew to Greek, and then Greek to whatever. Not only that, but often the Septuagint was used to restore the text of corrupted passages of the Hebrew Bible. For example, it witnesses to a form of Hebrew text that no longer exists for the books of Samual and Kings.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;In short, the history of the Septuagint is long and complex. There have been many revisions and even new translations made and scholars agree that many errors have been introduced throughout it's history. &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;ol&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Hexapla, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Encyclopedia of Early Christianity&lt;/span&gt;, second edition. Editor, Everett Ferguson. (Garland Publishing, Inc., 1997).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Septuagint, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Ibid&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111635861159317655?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111635861159317655/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111635861159317655' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111635861159317655'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111635861159317655'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/origen-compares-different-biblical.html' title='Origen Compares the Different Biblical Translations'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111627028254171162</id><published>2005-05-16T11:54:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-16T13:10:21.563-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Dionysius and Origen Complain of Tampering.</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;According to many historians, deliberate alteration of scripture was rife throughout the Christian world as various sects sought to legitimize their particular slant of doctrine. Daniel-Rops claims that the scriptures were subject to numerous outrages changes.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the most learned instructors and prolific writers of early Christianity was Origen who I mentioned previously. He also complained of the inaccuracies between different manuscripts of the same books or letters and wrote:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Today the fact is evident, that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;there are many differences&lt;/span&gt; in the manuscripts, either through the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;negligence of certain copyists&lt;/span&gt;, or the &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;perverse audacity of some in correcting the text&lt;/span&gt;." (1)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The ancient historian, Eusebius, wrote that Dionysius, the Bishop of Corinth around 170 A.D., complained that even his letters were being tampered with. Eusebius quotes him as saying:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"When my fellow-Christians invited me to write letters to them I did so. These the devil's apostles have filled with tares,&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; taking away some things and adding others&lt;/span&gt;. For them the woe is reserved. Small wonder then if &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;some have dared to tamper even with the word of the Lord Himself&lt;/span&gt;, when they have conspired to mutilate my own humble efforts." (2)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Daniel-Rops, L’Eglise des Apotres et des Martyrs, p. 313n. Translated by Barker, James in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Divine Church&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Eusebius, of Caesarea, Bishop of Caesarea, ca. 260-ca. 340, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The History of the Church from Christ to Constantine&lt;/span&gt;, Tr. by G.A. Williamson; rev. and ed. with a new introd. by Andrew Louth. Rev. (London, England: Penguin, c1989), 132.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111627028254171162?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111627028254171162/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111627028254171162' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111627028254171162'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111627028254171162'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/dionysius-and-origen-complain-of.html' title='Dionysius and Origen Complain of Tampering.'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111619818350674610</id><published>2005-05-15T15:42:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-16T12:05:21.516-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Justin Martyr Accuses Jews of Removing Text.</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The original language of most of the Old Testament is in Hebrew, but parts were written in Aramaic (also known as Chaldee). This is known as the Massoretic text. Then, at the request of Ptolemy II (283-246 B.C.), a translation of the Old Testament into Greek was made by seventy-two Jewish elders and was called the "Septuagint". The Pentateuch (the five books of Moses) was translated during that century, while the rest of the Old Testament was done by individual translators and was completed by about 132 B.C.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The elders translated some books with more care and were more literal than with other books. For example, when the Book of Job was translated, the book was shortened by about 800 lines. Excessive repetition was removed and passages that were too difficult to translate were summarized. Also, the book of Jeremiah is much shorter and differently ordered than the traditional Hebrew versions. &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Justin Martyr, a Christian writer who lived in the second century A.D., claims in his document "Dialog With Trypho" (A Jew) that the Jews had removed passages from Esdras and Jeremiah and the Psalms. He writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"But I am far from putting reliance in your teachers, who refuse to admit that the interpretation made by the seventy elders who were with Ptolemy [king] of the Egyptians is a correct one; and they attempt to frame another. And I wish you to observe, that &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;they have altogether taken away many Scriptures from the translations&lt;/span&gt; effected by those seventy elders who were with Ptolemy, and by which this very man who was crucified is proved to have been set forth expressly as God, and man, and as being crucified, and as dying; but since I am aware that this is denied by all of your nation, I do not address myself to these points, but I proceed to carry on my discussions by means of those passages which are still admitted by you. For you assent to those which I have brought before your attention, except that you contradict the statement, `Behold, the virgin shall conceive, 'and say it ought to be read, `Behold, the young woman shall conceive.' And I promised to prove that the prophecy referred, not, as you were taught, to Hezekiah, but to this Christ of mine: and now I shall go to the proof."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here Trypho remarked, "We ask you first of all to tell us some of the Scriptures which you allege have been completely cancelled."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I said, "I shall do as you please. From the statements, then, which Esdras made in reference to the law of the passover, &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;they have taken away the following:&lt;/span&gt; `And Esdras said to the people, This passover is our Saviour and our refuge. And if you have understood, and your heart has taken it in, that we shall humble Him on a standard, and thereafter hope in Him, then this place shall not be forsaken for ever, says the God of hosts. But if you will not believe Him, and will not listen to His declaration, you shall be a laughing-stock to the nations.' And from the sayings of Jeremiah they have cut out the following: `I [was] like a lamb that is brought to the slaughter: they devised a device against me, saying, Come, let us lay on wood on His bread, and let us blot Him out from the land of the living; and His name shall no more be remembered.' And since this passage from the sayings of Jeremiah is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;still written in some copies [of the Scriptures] in the synagogues of the Jews (for it is only a short time since they were cut out)&lt;/span&gt;, and since from these words it is demonstrated that the Jews deliberated about the Christ Himself, to crucify and put Him to death, He Himself is both declared to be led as a sheep to the slaughter, as was predicted by Isaiah, and is here represented as a harmless lamb; but being in a difficulty about them, they give themselves over to blasphemy. And again, from the sayings of the same Jeremiah these have been cut out: `The Lord God remembered His dead people of Israel who lay in the graves; and He descended to preach to them His own salvation.'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"And from the ninety-fifth (ninety-sixth) Psalm &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;they have taken away this short saying of the words of David:&lt;/span&gt; `From the wood.' For when the passage said, `Tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned from the wood, 'they have left, `Tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned.' Now no one of your people has ever been said to have reigned as God and Lord among the nations, with the exception of Him only who was crucified, of whom also the Holy Spirit affirms in the same Psalm that He was raised again, and freed from [the grave], declaring that there is none like Him among the gods of the nations: for they are idols of demons. But I shall repeat the whole Psalm to you, that you may perceive what has been said. It is thus: `Sing unto the Lord a new song; sing unto the Lord, all the earth. Sing unto the Lord, and bless His name; show forth His salvation from day to day. Declare His glory among the nations, His wonders among all people. For the Lord is great, and greatly to be praised: He is to be feared above all the gods. For all the gods of the nations are demons but the Lord made the heavens. Confession and beauty are in His presence; holiness and magnificence are in His sanctuary. Bring to the Lord, O ye countries of the nations, bring to the Lord glory and honour, bring to the Lord glory in His name. Take sacrifices, and go into His courts; worship the Lord in His holy temple. Let the whole earth be moved before Him: tell ye among the nations, the Lord hath reigned. For He hath established the world, which shall not be moved; He shall judge the nations with equity. Let the heavens rejoice, and the earth be glad; let the sea and its fulness shake. Let the fields and all therein be joyful. Let all the trees of the wood be glad before the Lord: for He comes, for He comes to judge the earth. He shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with His truth.' "&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here Trypho remarked, "Whether [or not] the rulers of the people have erased any portion of the Scriptures, as you affirm, God knows; but it seems incredible."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Assuredly," said I, "it does seem incredible. For it is more horrible than the calf which they made, when satisfied with manna on the earth; or than the sacrifice of children to demons; or than the slaying of the prophets. But," said I, "you appear to me not to have heard the Scriptures which I said they had stolen away. For such as have been quoted are more than enough to prove the points in dispute, besides those which are retained by us, and shall yet be brought forward." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You will note that in the course of history, text was purposely omitted before and after the time of Christ. What could be more telling than a synagogue having the text about Christ in their version of the Greek Translation, and going to another synagogue where it is absent? Sounds like a cover up job to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ol&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Septuagint, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Encyclopedia of Early Christianity&lt;/span&gt;, second edition. Editor, Everett Ferguson. (Garland Publishing, Inc., 1997).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Justin Martyr, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Dialog with Trypho&lt;/span&gt;, vol 1, the Ante Nicene Fathers (Grand Rapids, Michigan: WM. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., ), 234-235.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111619818350674610?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111619818350674610/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111619818350674610' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111619818350674610'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111619818350674610'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/justin-martyr-accuses-jews-of-removing.html' title='Justin Martyr Accuses Jews of Removing Text.'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111603114921369762</id><published>2005-05-13T17:26:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T17:39:09.220-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Lost Writings of Papias Part 3</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Concerning Papias, Eusebius the historian (circa 260-339 A.D.) wrote the following:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;blockquote style="font-family: arial;"&gt;"Papias reproduces other stories communicated to him by word of mouth, together with some otherwise unknown parables and teachings of the Saviour, and other things of a more allegorical character. He says that after the resurrection of the dead there will be a period of a thousand years, when Christ's kingdom will be set up on this earth in material form. I suppose he got these notions by misinterpreting the apostolic accounts and failing to grasp what they had said in mystic and symbolic language. For he seems to have been a man of very small intelligence, to judge from his books. &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;But it is partly due to him that the great majority of churchmen after him took the same view, relying on his early date; e.g. Irenaeus and several others, who clearly held the same opinion.&lt;/span&gt;"&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(1)&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;So, here is Eusebius saying that Papias didn't know what he was talking about - 100 to 200 plus years after the fact. Eusebius says that Papias should have interpreted the scriptures allegorically. Who told Eusebius that the sayings of the apostles were to be interpreted in that manner? Did he talk to the apostles, or God, personally to know how they should be interpreted? &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Papias was not only a believer in Jesus Christ, but a bishop&lt;/span&gt;! If Jesus spoke plainly to his apostles, and his apostles spoke plainly (or at least tried to) to their converts, don't you think that they would speak plainly to a bishop who presided over a congregation of converts?! What was Eusebius thinking? And if Papias was of such small intelligence, why would he have been given the charge of an entire congregation in the first place?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Sadly, all that exists today of Papias' writings are but a few tidbits given to us by Irenaeus and Eusebius. I don't know why it is that all five volumes of Papias's work do not exist today, but I suspect that is because of Eusebius's conceit in his own learning and his presumptuous opinions that they have gone missing all these centuries. Though there may have existed private collections of New Testament writings, there was no "official" collection made until the emperor Constantine commissioned Eusebius to make one. I can only conclude that it is because he didn't consider Papias all that important that it is not included in our current collection of New Testament writings. Ahhh, but what a great treasure it would be if the writings of Papias existed in their entirety today! &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;ol style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Eusebius, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The History of the Church&lt;/span&gt;, Tr. By G.A. Williamson, Ed. By Andrew Louth. (London, England: Penguin Books, 1965), p. 103.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111603114921369762?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111603114921369762/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111603114921369762' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111603114921369762'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111603114921369762'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/lost-writings-of-papias-part-3.html' title='The Lost Writings of Papias Part 3'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111593947462787923</id><published>2005-05-12T16:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T17:40:58.393-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Lost Writings of Papias Part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In those days, Greek learning was extremely popular. Greek learning was like going to the Ivy League schools of today. You were really somebody important if you were taught in the ways of the Greeks. But Paul did not have a high opinion of Greek learning and wrote to the Colossians "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In the centuries following the deaths of the apostles, Greek became more and more popular amongst the Christians, and eventually, almost all of the leaders of churches were men of great learning, especially in Greek. Eventually it became in vogue to interpret the scriptures using a Greek literary device called the allegory. An allegory is similar to a symbol, a metaphor or a simile, but yet it is different. These learned men sought to interpret the Hebrew writings not from a Hebrew perspective, but from a western, or Greek, perspective.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Around 70 to 155 A.D. there existed a man by the name of Papias, who is said to have been a bishop of Hierapolis, in Phrygia (located in what is now the southwestern part of Turkey, about 6 miles (10 km) north of the ruins of Laodicea). Papias wrote five volumes which he entitled The Sayings of the Lord Explained. In his preface, he writes that he learned the words of the apostles from their followers, but that he also listened to Aristion and the presbyter John (not the apostle John) with his own ears. Some scholars are of the opinion that these books may have contained much historical information in addition to the sayings of Christ. Quoting from his preface:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"I shall not hesitate to furnish you, along with the interpretations, with all that in days gone by I carefully learnt from the presbyters and have carefully recalled, for I can guarantee its truth. Unlike most people, I felt at home not with those who had a great deal to say, but with those who taught the truth; not with those who appeal to commandments from other sources but with those who appeal to the commandments given by the Lord to faith and coming to us from truth itself. And whenever anyone came who had been a follower of the presbyters, I inquired into the words of the presbyters, what Andrew or Peter had said, or Phillip or Thomas or James or John or Matthew, or any other disciple of the Lord, and what Aristion and the presbyter John, disciples of the Lord, were still saying. For I did not imagine that things out of books would help me as much as the utterances of a living and abiding voice. " &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ol&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Colossians 2:8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Eusebius,     &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The History of the Church&lt;/span&gt;, Tr. By G.A. Williamson, Ed. By Andrew Louth. (London, England: Penguin Books, 1965), p. 102.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111593947462787923?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111593947462787923/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111593947462787923' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111593947462787923'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111593947462787923'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/lost-writings-of-papias-part-2.html' title='The Lost Writings of Papias Part 2'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111583743757808566</id><published>2005-05-11T11:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-12T16:12:45.326-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Lost Writings of Papias Part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Some people might interpret a verse literally, symbolically or even allegorically. Sometimes it is obvious which method to use because the writer tells us directly. For example, Jesus told his disciples "Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of his sleep." His disciples thought he was talking in a literal sense and that "he had spoken of taking rest in sleep." But that is not what Jesus meant. Next the gospel tells us: "Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is Dead." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;1&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On another occasion, Jesus told his disciples that "A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father." Because some of his disciples did not understand what Jesus was talking about, they said: "What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith." After explaining what He meant, Jesus then said "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father." Later, His disciples said to Him: "His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;2&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another time, after Jesus had spoken unto the multitude in parables and then sent them away, His disciples came unto him and said "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;3&lt;/span&gt; Jesus then explained to them the parables and asked them "Have ye understood all these things?" and then they replied "Yea, Lord." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;On yet another occasion, Peter asked Jesus "Declare unto us this parable." Whereupon Jesus asked "Are ye also yet without understanding?" &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;5 &lt;/span&gt;He then proceded to explain the meaning of the parable that he had just given.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mark writes "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;6&lt;/span&gt; Note that in regards to the parables that Christ taught, Mark says He explained "all things" to his disciples and not "some things".&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After His resurrection, Jesus appeared to two of His disciples who were walking from Jerusalem to Emmaus. Luke tells us that "beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;7&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As the apostles went about their ministry, often they would go about explaining the meaning of the scriptures. Paul sent many letters in which he tried to clear up any misunderstandings with regards to gospel principals. Paul himself said "Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:" &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;8&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To the unbelieving Jews, the gospel was given in parables. But to the followers of Jesus Christ, the gospel was explained in plain terms.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ol style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;John 11:11-14&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;John 16:16-29&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Matthew 13:36&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Matthew 13:51&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Matthew 15:15-16&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Mark 4:34&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Luke 24:27&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;2 Corinthians 3:12&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111583743757808566?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111583743757808566/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111583743757808566' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111583743757808566'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111583743757808566'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/lost-writings-of-papias-part-1.html' title='The Lost Writings of Papias Part 1'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111575575307887252</id><published>2005-05-10T12:57:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-10T13:09:13.100-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Pope Damascus complains about scribal errors</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;The same Jerome that I mentioned earlier was given by Pope Damasus the job of translating and editing the Bible from Greek into Latin because "in the continuous copying and recopying by scribes 'more asleep than awake' they had come to be full of error and doubtful passages." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(1)&lt;/span&gt; And even of Jerome's translations, none of the original manuscripts exist today - just copies of copies. Jerome lived from about 347 to 420 A.D. And up until the time the printing press was invented, there has certainly been a lot more copying. But even then, those who were operating the presses had to set the type by copying from manuscripts. How do we know they set the type correctly? We even have problems with that in modern society today. Why else would you find books, or software, with  2nd, 3rd, and 4th, etc., editions?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can't tell you how many books I've read where the authors wrote about scribes making mistakes. It's pretty much common knowledge amoung historians. People have not believed me when I told them that it was a common occurance. So, here I am posting proofs from anywhere I can find them - but I doubt that these people would believe me anyway.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the course of my reading the Bible from cover to cover many times and reading various scholarly commentaries, I came to the realization that there were a lot of contradictions in the Bible. For example, Genesis 6:6 reads "It repented the Lord that He made man on the earth;". Yet, in Numbers 23:19 we read "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the Son of man, that he should repent;". In one case the scriptures say that God does not repent, and in another case the scriptures says that He did. And there are many, many more instances similar to this. There are all sorts of lists of such contradictions on the Internet should you decide to take the time to search. The fact that there are so many contradictions should be proof enough alone. But rather than read the Bible for themselves, they would prefer to beleive some minister that tells them what they want to hear.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;ol style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;li&gt;Maria Luisa Ambrosini, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Secret Archives of the Vatican&lt;/span&gt; (United States of America: Barnes and Noble, 1996), p41.&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111575575307887252?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111575575307887252/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111575575307887252' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111575575307887252'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111575575307887252'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/pope-damascus-complains-about-scribal.html' title='Pope Damascus complains about scribal errors'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111568049524078230</id><published>2005-05-09T16:12:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T17:42:20.096-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Augustine complains about Jerome's translation</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Of course, this was not the only time Jerome was accused of mistranslating text. Saint Augustine wrote him a nasty letter in which he states:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"A certain bishop, one of our brethren, having introduced in the church over which he presides the reading of your version, came upon a word in the book of the prophet Jonah, of which you have given a very different rendering from that which had been of old familiar to the senses and memory of all the worshippers, and had been chanted for so many generations in the church. Thereupon arose such a tumult in the congregation, especially among the Greeks, correcting what had been read, and denouncing the translation as false, that the bishop was compelled to ask the testimony of the Jewish residents (it was in the town of Oea). These, whether from ignorance or from spite, answered that the words in the Hebrew MSS. were correctly rendered in the Greek version, and in the Latin one taken from it. What further need I say? The man was compelled to correct your version in that passage as if it had been falsely translated, as he desired not to be left without a congregation, -- a calamity which he narrowly escaped. From this case we also are led to think that you may be occasionally mistaken. You will also observe how great must have been the difficulty if this had occurred in those writings which cannot be explained by comparing the testimony of languages now in use." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note how he says "now in use". And what if they are not "now in use", having changed over the last one thousand and five hundred years?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It absolutely amazes me how the entire course of history can change because of the mistranslation of just two or three words. To me, that gives new meaning to the phrase "the pen is mightier than the sword". Much of the time spent at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. was spent arguing over one single word, a diphthong as one historian describes it, that doesn't even occur in the Bible - not even once. And yet, the results of that council had huge impact over the history of western civilization.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;ol&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Saint Augustine, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Post-Nicene Fathers of the Christian Church&lt;/span&gt;, Edited by Phillip Schaff, D.D.,LL.D, (WM. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.: Grand Rapids Michigan) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Vol I, page 327.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111568049524078230?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111568049524078230/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111568049524078230' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111568049524078230'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111568049524078230'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/augustine-complains-about-jeromes.html' title='Augustine complains about Jerome&apos;s translation'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111557625505054678</id><published>2005-05-08T11:05:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T17:43:56.756-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Orignal Sin from a faulty translation</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Perhaps a controversial example of mistranslation would be that of Augustine's doctrine of original sin, which many Christians today accept as dogma. That doctrine is actually based on a faulty translation of Romans 5:12 in Latin. Augustine used the Latin Vulgate, which was translated by Jerome. In that version, with regards to Adams transgression, he read "...in whom all have sinned." ("...in quo omnes peccaverunt.") In reading that verse, Augustine came to believe that, not only did Adam sin, but that all men sinned in or through Adam and, therefore, partook of his sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;But the King James Version translates the same clause as saying "for that all have sinned." Some Catholic and Protestant scholars believe that the later translation is the more correct one.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;A Catholic writer Fillion writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"In quo (in whom), that is to say, in Adam, according to the interpretation of Origen, of our Latin version (the Vulgate), and of Saint Augustine, etc. Perhaps it would be better, following Theodoret, Euthemius, etc., to regard the Greek eph' O as a conjunctive locution and to translate by 'quia,propterea quod': because all have sinned" &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(1)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Another Catholic scholar named Crampon writes:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"In quo omnes peccaverunt: this formula of the Vulgate should be translated: because all have sinned, in quo being understood in the sense in eo quod (eph' O): all interpreters (translators) are in agreement on this point." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The Protestant historian Phillip Schaff writes:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"The exegesis of Augustine, and his doctrine of a personal fall, as it were of all men in Adam, are therefore doubtless untenable." &lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;(3)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:78%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;But have these religions changed their stance on the doctrine of original sin since this information has come to light? Probably not. Why not? What would that imply for a religion to admit that their doctrine has been wrong for all these centuries? On the other hand, it's all a matter of taking sides as to who had the best translation. But, how does one know for sure which translation is the best? That's definitely not something that one could adequately discern while discussing it over the dinner table, or a one hour lecture from the Sunday pulpit.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, Latin is all Greek to me - I don't have the slightest idea of what they'e talking about, but like the saying goes "out of the mouth of two or three witnesses..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;    &lt;ol&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;M. l'Abbé Louis-Claude Fillion, p.s.s., (1843-1927), &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-family:arial;" &gt;La Sainte Bible&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;, commentée d'après la Vulgate et les Textes originaux&lt;/span&gt;. Translated by Barker, James, in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-family:arial;" &gt;The Divine Church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;, vol. 3, p. 17.   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Crampon, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-family:arial;" &gt;La Sainte Bible&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;. p. 148 note. Translated by Barker, James, in &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-family:arial;" &gt;The Divine Church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;, vol. 3, p. 17.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;   &lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Schaff, Phillip, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;font-family:arial;" &gt;History of the Christian Church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;, vol. 3, p. 834. (Hendrickson Publishers; 3rd edition,1996)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;  &lt;ol face="arial"&gt; &lt;/ol&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111557625505054678?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111557625505054678/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111557625505054678' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111557625505054678'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111557625505054678'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/orignal-sin-from-faulty-translation.html' title='Orignal Sin from a faulty translation'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111552986940470617</id><published>2005-05-07T22:11:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T17:45:09.266-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Differences in Daniel 2:43</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Those who are conversant in two or more languages know for a fact that there are just some words or phrases that just do not translate well into other languages. In fact, a word from one language may not even exist in another language. How do you translate that?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Today there are many different translations of the Holy Bible, and not all of them are the same for every single verse contained in the Bible. I, personally, own seven different translations of the Bible. I have what is the traditional Bible for many Americans - the King James Version. I also have a Parallel Bible (&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;The Complete Parallel Bible with the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books&lt;/span&gt; (New York, Oxford University Press, 1993)) that contains the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Revised Standard Version&lt;/span&gt;, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Revised English Bible&lt;/span&gt;, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New American Bible&lt;/span&gt;, and the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Jerusalem Bible&lt;/span&gt; displayed in parallel columns next to each other to facilitate comparison between the four. I also own a Bible in Spanish, and the Hebrew &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Tanakh&lt;/span&gt; with it's own English Translation. An example of different translations giving different meanings to the same verse is shown below for the scripture of Daniel 2:43.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:arial;" &gt;King James&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave to one another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;New Revised Standard&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"As you saw the iron mixed with clay, so will they mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Revised English&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"As in your vision the iron was mixed with the clay, so will there be a mixing of families by intermarriage, but such alliances will not be stable: iron does not mix with clay."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;New American&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"The iron mixed with clay tile means that they shall seal their alliances by intermarriage, but they shall not stay united, any more than iron mixes with clay."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;New Jerusalem&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And just as you saw the iron and the clay of the earthenware mixed together, so the two will be mixed together in human seed; but they will not hold together anymore than iron will blend with clay."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;When I first read that verse in the King James Version, I had no clue as to what it’s meaning was. A wild guess on my part was that some king would try to mingle with the common masses and try to develop a good rapport with them, but would be unsuccessful in his public relations efforts. In reading the other translations, however, I realized that it probably means that members of royalty from one country would marry with royalty from other countries in an effort to create stable alliances between kingdoms. As you can see, that’s a very significant difference in understanding! At any rate, to properly understand verses like this would require a Ph.D. in language and have deep historic insights into the culture. The normal Joe doesn’t have that kind of learning, which takes a lifetime to gain. And even then, those who do have that kind of education can’t even agree amongst themselves on many points. So, what’s a person to do? &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, in reading the Parallel Bible, I discovered that in some cases entire sections of verses were either rearranged in their order, or missing entirely in one or more versions, but not in the others!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not only that, but, according to historians, the Book of Matthew and John was originally written in Aramaic, but is only known today to exist in Greek, from which we get our English Translation. There you have double the potential for a mistranslation.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111552986940470617?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111552986940470617/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111552986940470617' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111552986940470617'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111552986940470617'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/differences-in-daniel-243.html' title='Differences in Daniel 2:43'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111543179870598270</id><published>2005-05-06T19:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T17:47:25.153-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The case of the missing Bible text Part 2</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;My father showed me another discrepancy between the 1801 and the 1917 versions of the Swedish Bible - Job 19:26. My father was kind enough to translate the verses for me into English. A rough translation of the 1917 version reads something like this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;26 "And after this my torn (wounded, damaged) flesh is gone, shall I, free from my flesh (meat), be able to see God."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;He wrote in the margins of his Bible the words contained in the 1801 Swedish version. The 1801 version translates into something like this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;26 "And I shall afterward, with this my flesh (meat) enshrouded be, and shall in my flesh (meat) be able to see God."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Did you catch the difference? One version says that he, Job, will see God IN THE FLESH sometime after he has died, and the other says that he will see God WITHOUT HIS FLESH. That's a pretty important difference!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;King James Version&lt;/span&gt; reads:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;26 "And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:"&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Revised Standard Version&lt;/span&gt; reads:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;26 "and after my skin has been this destroyed, then in my flesh I shall see God."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Revised English&lt;/span&gt; reads:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;26 "I shall discern my witness standing at my side and see my defending counsel, even God himself,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;27 "whom I shall see with my own eyes, I myself and no other. My heart sank within me,"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New American&lt;/span&gt; reads:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;26 "And from my flesh I shall see God; my inmost being is consumed with longing."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Jerusalem&lt;/span&gt; reads&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"After my awakening, he will set me close to him, and from my flesh I shall look on God."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Most of the other English versions concur with the 1801 version of the Swedish Bible with regards to seeing God in the flesh, but the Revised English is so different than any of them that I had to double and triple check myself that I had the right verse. Why all the differences? Who knows? And which is the most correct?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111543179870598270?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111543179870598270/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111543179870598270' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111543179870598270'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111543179870598270'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/case-of-missing-bible-text-part-2.html' title='The case of the missing Bible text Part 2'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111536776284010391</id><published>2005-05-06T01:05:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-13T17:48:21.966-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The case of the missing Bible text Part 1</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;A few weeks ago, while conversing at the dinner table, my Dad mentioned that verse 37 of Acts, chapter 8, of the King James Version of the Bible (English) was not in his Swedish Bible. I repeat - NOT - in his Swedish Bible. He also mentioned that when he lived in Sweden, he saw some older Bibles that were published back in the 1800's and they did have verse 37. Old Swedish Bibles have Acts 8:37, but the newer Swedish Bible that he owned, published in 1917, didn't.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Then we got to wondering if verse 37 was in my mother's Danish Bible. So after dinner we hauled her Bible out and looked. Yes, it was there. So then I got out my parallel Bible which has 4 different English Translations laid out in columns next to each other for ease in comparing verses. Those translations are the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Revised Standard Version&lt;/span&gt;, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Revised English Bible&lt;/span&gt;, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New American Bible&lt;/span&gt;, and the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Jerusalem Bible&lt;/span&gt;.  Interestingly enough, none of those translations included verse 37.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Now, you may be asking yourself "What is so significant about verse 37?"&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;In the King James Version of the Bible, Acts 8:36-38 reads:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Verse 37 is significant because it emphasizes the importance of belief in Jesus Christ as being a requirement for baptism. Phillip says "If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest." Some Christian denominations baptize infants that are incapable of believing. Other denominations teach that the fate of every man is pre-destined and that it is only by God's will and "grace" that select individuals will be saved in the kingdom of God. The individual has no say in the matter. No matter what a person says, does, or even believes, his or her outcome has already been pre-determined. The state religion of Sweden, if I'm not mistaken (someone correct me if I'm wrong), is one of those denominations. Believing is something that someone &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;chooses&lt;/span&gt; to do of their own free will. Consequently, verse 37 negates the beliefs of these particular denominations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;A footnote in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Revised Standard Version&lt;/span&gt; says "Other ancient authorities add all or most of verse 37 …". The &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Revised English Bible&lt;/span&gt; writes as a footnote "some witnesses add …". A footnote for the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New American Bible&lt;/span&gt; says "The oldest and best manuscripts of Acts omit this verse …". Last of all, the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;New Jerusalem Bible&lt;/span&gt; footnote says "v.37, omitted here, is a very ancient gloss…". Gloss? What's a "gloss"? According to my dictionary, among other things, a gloss could be words of explanation or translation inserted between lines of text. Or, it could be comments written in the margins or as a footnote.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;For thousands of years people have been copying documents by hand. Typically after a certain amount of text was copied, either the scribe himself, or a superior, an overseer of some sort, would compare the newly copied work with the original text. If any there were any errors, rather than burn it and see hours of tedious, painstaking labor go up in smoke (especially if they were getting paid), people would often write the corrected text in the margins. But what if someone wasn't so careful? A single mistake, or a deliberate omission for that matter, could be replicated over and over for who knows how long. But, on the other hand, it was also a common practice to write personal commentaries in the margins.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;All of this raises some interesting questions:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1. Did all of these Bibles use the same manuscripts?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;2. If they did, why did they choose to omit the gloss?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;3. If there were manuscripts that didn't have the gloss, how do the scholars know that these manuscripts are any better than the one that did have the gloss?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;4. Did the scribe who wrote the gloss do it because it was on the original manuscript being copied which is now lost to the world or was he just expressing his personal belief or opinion?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;There is only one way that anyone can know for sure which of the translations is the most correct. And it is &lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;NOT&lt;/span&gt; by the endless debate of scholars. Especially nowadays, with all the discoveries being made by archeologists and such, theories and views of the Old World are constantly being overturned. Experts are great, but they are not the last word by any means. It's an easy way, but yet, surprisingly, few people ever take advantage of it because they believe that God has ceased talking to man after the death of the apostles. But that view is contrary to James 1:5-7.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's amazing that a few simple scratchings of a reed pen on parchment by some nameless scribe could be of such import, but it is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111536776284010391?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111536776284010391/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111536776284010391' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111536776284010391'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111536776284010391'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/case-of-missing-bible-text-part-1.html' title='The case of the missing Bible text Part 1'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111526561448021269</id><published>2005-05-04T20:47:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-04T21:02:25.906-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Sources of differences in understanding</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Differences in understanding can come from several sources as I see it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:arial;" &gt;Linguistics&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;People who even speak the same language often have different understandings as to what the same word or phrase might mean. Indeed, this subject alone is such a complex one that some people like the anthropologist Deborah Tannen, Ph.D., have made careers out of studying it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Geographical and Cultural Differences&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;For example, if someone from Britain says to an American that he wants a fag, the American might think he is a homosexual, when in actuality, he just wants a cigarette. Or, a car trunk in the U.S. is called a boot in Britain. A Canada, a couch is called a "shirley". Even within the United States, there are regional differences in language. When I moved to Mississippi from Las Vegas, having lived the bulk of my life in California, Arizona, Nevada, and Utah, initially, I initially had a real difficult time understanding what people were telling me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Many try to understand the ancient Judean culture from a modern Western perspective. Anybody who has grown up in the USA and then lived in (not just visited) an Eastern culture (or visa versa) can tell you that the difference in the way people think between the two cultures is like night and day.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Changes in Meaning Over Time&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Ever try to read Shakespeare without the help of a Professor of English literature? It's not easy, is it? William Shakespeare lived during the 1500's and died in 1616. The King James Version of the Bible was published in 1611. To put it bluntly, the archaic language used in the Bible (the King James Version) make it extremely difficult for many people to understand it today. Many words used in that era have totally different meanings today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;font-family:arial;" &gt;Between the Sexes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Have you ever had troubles understanding a spouse, a boyfriend or girl friend? The fact that Deborah Tannen's book, You Just Don't Understand: Women and Men in Conversation is a national bestseller, attests mightily to difficulties that people of different genders, who even speak the same language, have in communicating with one another. So, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if a woman would get a different understanding from some text in the Bible than a man would.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;And then there is the question "Should this verse be interpreted literally or symbolically?" That is a whole can of worms in and of itself - something to discuss some other day.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111526561448021269?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111526561448021269/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111526561448021269' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111526561448021269'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111526561448021269'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/sources-of-differences-in.html' title='Sources of differences in understanding'/><author><name>Scott N. Ashby</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10503070084308126521</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602385.post-111506911479702880</id><published>2005-05-02T14:24:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2005-05-03T17:15:34.823-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Introduction</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Some people say that the only way to understand the truth is by reading and relying solely on the Holy Bible and on nothing else. One of the most well known individuals who did so was Martin Luther in the 1500’s as he sought to defend himself during an inquisition regarding the 94 thesis that he nailed to that fateful castle door. But despite his claims of scriptural authenticity, he nonetheless used some scriptures to prove his points and completely rejected and avoided others that contradicted his position (to be discussed in greater detail another day).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the process of reading the Bible thoroughly, studying the history of Christianity and discussing it with others, it became painfully obvious to me that relying on the Holy Bible alone to ascertain the truth of any church or doctrine is not without it’s difficulties and stumbling blocks. More often than not, attempts to ascertain the truth only ends up in endless debate, with neither side converting to the other. Often any good feelings towards one another disipate entirely. But didn't Christ teach love? If defining the truth were as simple as quoting a scripture, then why are there so many Christian sects with so many differing doctrines?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;For one, different people can and do interpret the same verses of scripture differently than others, and two, the scriptures are not 100% without error themselves. If people only knew just part of the Bible’s history, I am sure that the opinions of many would change with regards to various doctrines. The fact of the matter is so few people know even the basic history of the Bible, not to mention Christianity as a whole. Amazingly enough, I have run into many people who think that the Bible is just one single book, written by one single individual, during one single time in history. Or, they think the books of the Bible are in chronological order. And Christianity has evolved into so many different forms. Often sects have done complete reversals on dogmas previously enforced by violence centuries earlier.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Perhaps this ignorance is because of the tendency of the public school systems (at least in the United States) to avoid teaching anything that has anything to do with religion. The fact that much of western civilization’s history is so closely intertwined with religion means that very little &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: arial;"&gt;real&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt; history gets taught. The fate of nations often relied on decisions and alliances made by popes, archbishops, cardinals, or monks as well as those made by kings, queens and princes who were often influenced by religious doctrines. Also, I am inclined to think that some pastors (but not all) preach only that which they think will fatten their wallet the most and don’t care to rock the boat in any way, shape or form. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Though the Bible certainly is important in one's quest for truth, I would hope that there are other means available to remove all doubt regarding any specific doctrine, otherwise we are lost in endless debate, "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2 Timothy 3:7) &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12602385-111506911479702880?l=scribalscratchings.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/feeds/111506911479702880/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=12602385&amp;postID=111506911479702880' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111506911479702880'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12602385/posts/default/111506911479702880'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://scribalscratchings.blogspot.com/2005/05/introduction.html' title='Introduction'/><author><name>Scott N. 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